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I can make it simple for you without discussing body parts.

1. Religion is a belief system; shamanism is an experiential path.
2. All religions had some dude who started the particular religion; shamanism evolved all over the world without a leader.
3. All religions have a book which contains the teachings of that religion; shamanism has no written words
4. Religions have a designated place to worship, usually known as a church; shamans perform their spiritual practice anywhere, just like the fire ceremony I held tonight in back of my house. I then cooked pork chops after I closed my ceremony. I can do that because my spiritual guides are a bunch of humorous bastards and know I have to eat.
5. Religions usually teach that if you screw up, something bad is going to happen to you; shamans do not.
6. While some shamans might practice witchcraft and harm others, or mess around with your wife while you are away, they do not run around killing hordes of people nor do they preach that their practice is the only way to go or bad things will happen to you.
7. The religion I grew up in would not think highly of the spiritual beings I play with and would probably cast these “devils” out of me. Frankly, they help me, not harm me.
8. Religions have rules; shamanism does not.
9. In each religion you better worship only the dude who started it and no one else; shaman see their "gods" in all living things.

I sure there are many more. I’m not a religious person and I know this much. Shamanism is the ancestor of all religious practices. Shamanism also means “one who sees in the dark,” or “one who knows.” I’d say you are a religious person because you have yet to attain this ability.


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shamanRN Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:47 am
I can make it simple for you without discussing body parts.

1. Religion is a belief system; shamanism is an experiential path.
2. All religions had some dude who started the particular religion; shamanism evolved all over the world without a leader.
3. All religions have a book which contains the teachings of that religion; shamanism has no written words
4. Religions have a designated place to worship, usually known as a church; shamans perform their spiritual practice anywhere, just like the fire ceremony I held tonight in back of my house. I then cooked pork chops after I closed my ceremony. I can do that because my spiritual guides are a bunch of humorous bastards and know I have to eat.
5. Religions usually teach that if you screw up, something bad is going to happen to you; shamans do not.
6. While some shamans might practice witchcraft and harm others, or mess around with your wife while you are away, they do not run around killing hordes of people nor do they preach that their practice is the only way to go or bad things will happen to you.
7. The religion I grew up in would not think highly of the spiritual beings I play with and would probably cast these “devils” out of me. Frankly, they help me, not harm me.
8. Religions have rules; shamanism does not.
9. In each religion you better worship only the dude who started it and no one else; shaman see their "gods" in all living things.

I sure there are many more. I’m not a religious person and I know this much. Shamanism is the ancestor of all religious practices. Shamanism also means “one who sees in the dark,” or “one who knows.” I’d say you are a religious person because you have yet to attain this ability.


And there it is,thank you ShamanRN.


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[quote="shamanRN"]I think you do care otherwise you wouldn't have posted. So when will you "show the difference between falsehood and truth?"[/quote]

Peace be upon you.
Bless you. This is the best to say to you.


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Peace be upon all.
In the beginning of humanity, when a culture had a religion they had a need for people to perform the religious services for their people. They had a need for specialists because not every person had the time to practice them
for themselves. While men were raised as hunters, warriors, and leaders and women were raised as gatherers, weavers, and nurturers, other men and women were raised as shamans and priests. Now, I must admit that it was not exactly like this for all cultures, including the ways men and women were raised, but my point stands; shamans were necessary religious specialists. It is merely because one can believe as one wishes, and that not all shamans had the same reigions or beliefs, that it seems as though shamanism is separate from religion. But, by definition and, for all practical purposes, it is an aspect of religion. That is why I say shamanism and religion are inseparable and are one. Besides, I believe in the unity of all "belief systems," and of all existence.


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The word shaman infact is originally a Turkish word meaning one who practices communication with the spirits, healing, and spiritual travelling, and other religious mystic practices for the sake of the community. That is the summarisation of the literal meaning of the word shaman.[/url]


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Sorry to dissappoint you, but in fact "shaman" is derived from evenkian language and not from turkish.

What remains true is that many siberian languages are akin to ancient turkish, so it is possible that a similar word exists in turkish language. How ARE shamans named in turkish?

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Apu Kuntur wrote:
Sorry to dissappoint you, but in fact "shaman" is derived from evenkian language and not from turkish.

What remains true is that many siberian languages are akin to ancient turkish, so it is possible that a similar word exists in turkish language. How ARE shamans named in turkish?

Yours,

Apu Kuntur


Agreed - I think the Turkish word is closer to 'Kam'

Personally, from what I have read and learned, Islam is about as far from Shamanic practice as one can get. I'd love to learn which Imam or other Muslem official conducts soul retrievals (a common shamanic practice world wide!)?

Honestly, what is being discussed here is not really about shamanic practice but one person's misunderstanding and 'stage' to proselytize.


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shaman

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Main Entry: sha·man
Pronunciation: \ˈshä-mən, ˈshā- also shə-ˈmän\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural shamans
Etymology: ultimately from Evenki (Tungusic language of Siberia) šamān
Date: 1698

1 : a priest or priestess who uses magic for the purpose of curing the sick, divining the hidden, and controlling events
2 : one who resembles a shaman; especially : high priest 3

— sha·man·ic \shə-ˈma-nik, -ˈmä-\ adjective

Last, First. (2010) Shaman - Definition and More from the Free Dictionary. Retrieved July 09, 2010, from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shaman

shaman Look up shaman at Dictionary.com
1698, "priest of the Ural-Altaic peoples," probably via Ger. Schamane, from Rus. shaman, from Tungus shaman, which is perhaps from Chinese sha men "Buddhist monk," from Prakrit samaya-, from Skt. sramana-s "Buddhist ascetic."

Last, First. (2010) Online Etymology Dictionary. Retrieved July 09, 2010, from http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=shaman


It's amazing what you can find when you bother to look... Isn't it?

But then, when you see the world through predetermined parameters, it sort of limits the information that gets through. You know, if you already think you are right, then you don't accept info that disagrees with your obviously superior intellectual view.


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