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 Post subject: How to survive as a Shaman??
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:08 pm 
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Hello everyone,

It has been a long time since I've last been here, pretty much since the site first opened. Since then i have studying jazz performance and have been developing into a good musician with some form of professional future ahead of me. I do not like saying these things for the sake of my own humility but for this post it's necessary.

I have over the past half year lets say been developing, along side of my music, an ability to heal people. I have always known that I have it in me but recently it's been popping in my face all throughout the day. I have to confront myself on my future and what direction it is going in and admitting that shamanism seems to be as fulfilling a future as music is is hard to do because i love my music. i never see myself quitting, but i feel like the time may come for me to shift what is happening in my life.

If my future does end up shifting to shamanism at some point in my life, I would like to be prepared for the struggles that would await me. I want to have some form of an understanding of the life of a modern shaman. If anyone can shed some light on this I will humbly accept it.

...oh..and I within the past day figured out how to throat sing.
I am..............extremely!!!! excited about the possibilities that have opened up to me in the forms of meditation and healing.

Have a peaceful day

Steven


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 Post subject: Re: How to survive as a Shaman??
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:37 pm 
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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:19 pm 
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But departing from those lies that have been imprinted on your mind as factual aspects of your being is the struggle. turning away from a life and artform that I have been passionately pursuing for quite some time is not easy in any sense of the words. I suppose I should have explained that part of my meaning :)

yes shamanism would be a beautiful existence but getting there would require sacrifices that I definetly cannot make at this moment but hopefully will be able to in the near future.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:34 am 
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You can develop shamanic practice part time. Many people do that. I've seen some local weekly programs. Also, many people shift into full time practice after kids are grown, careers shift to retirement, etc. It's up to you how much devotion you want to put into it. If you are called to full service, you can still refuse. The spirits don't own you. And yet, it is hard to refuse when you see a way to ease suffering.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:08 am 
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But when the time comes for me to switch, how is one to survive as a shaman? I guess it's a general question really. regardless of whether i'm doing shamanic work for unselfish reasons, I would still obviously need to make some form of income to survive....or is it necessary?? what groups to join, what places to travel to, nationally and internationally, etc. these are things that I am thinking about.


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 Post subject: From one Shaman to a (possible) new Shaman
 Post Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:02 pm 
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Research is essential. If you are looking to join a group, research it online. There may be some in your area.
Yes, making a living is essential, but it is not part of Shamanism. Study all you can, follow the path that seems right to you, and if you have questions, ask. I actually thought about doing what alot of people are : First I'd have to save up to open this business, but many people go into paranormal investigations. It'd be fun, I think; a way to help the living and the dead.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:31 pm 
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I know none traditional shaman that makes a living of his calling. All that I know have a regular job to survive. They in fact get paid for their services, but usually this is far from enough keeping your daily business running.

First thing you should do is to ask the Spirits for an initiation. It is not upon us to decide whether we become shaman or not. Even if you are a good healer - which does not imply automatically that you are also a shaman.

Being prepared? Because spirits are very doing this initiation stuff on a very personal and individual base, you cannot be prepared for it. Live your life as a warrior: You should be aware that any day you wake up in the morning could be your very last day.

Yours

Apu Kuntur


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:38 pm 
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I also am not interested in shamanism as a financial endeavor. it is not meant to fulfill that aspect of our lives.

The way of patience and acceptance of all that comes my way is one that I have not grasped in its fullest yet. the most i can do at this moment is to put my will into healing myself so that i may someday heal others. i suppose i should just let my life take it's course and let happen what may.
i will in the mean time try to connect with the Spirits and hope that I can make some allies in my current time of struggle.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:03 pm 
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Hi

Stay with your career in music/jazz. Develop your healing or shamanic skills on the side. Be open to the messages spirit offers. The spirits will guide you. In fact, in my experience they will decide how quickly or slowly your skills will develop. You can't really force either the spirits or your healing skills.

I work full-time at a totally non-shamanic job, a job I actually like quite abit. Moreover, it pays the bills. I do some healing work evenings or on weekends when it comes up - as it does often enough to suit me. I don't personally know anyone who pays the bills doing shamanic work.

Chris


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 Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:43 am 
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Quote:

Chris wrote:

"I don't personally know anyone who pays the bills doing shamanic work."


I do. They do help people but thier work is tainted by commercialism.
Brrr


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 Post Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:12 pm 
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I'm a bit confused. You are a musician. Doesn't music itself, heal? I think people get caught up in the term, "shamanism", as if it were a baker or bricklayer. The spirit of healing can come through in any endeavor and certainly music is a very good pathway to learn shamanism and a means to practice it. Isn't it the shamanistic quality of music that is the difference between someone who can just play the notes and someone who really moves you. I remember that when my first Tai-chi teacher played some jazz guitar to me, I was amazed at the progressions and felt some changes going on inside of me. For him it was nothing but to me it was amazing. Don't forget the amazing abilities you already posess, to affect the people around you.


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 Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:53 pm 
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there is much more to being a shaman than being talented

Being able to play music, paint, or whatever is not enough to heal. It may soothe a great deal, and open some doors to your unconsciousness, but I would not consider it a path to shamanism.


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 Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:01 pm 
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Dear Rachara El,
I was just wondering, are you a musician?
Bob


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 Post Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:59 am 
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yes, classically trained, and taught piano for several years.


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 Post subject: How To Survive As a Shaman?
 Post Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:25 pm 
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It is not about surviving as a shaman, it is about living as one. If you live it you will survive.

We have come into form with the love and guidance from creator, what we choose to express ourselves as is just the expression, if we are living our lives we are it and therefore survival is not necessary.

So maybe the question needs to be How to Live as a Shaman? Can you do it?


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