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 Post subject: Biblical Fruit
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:07 am 
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Why was the biblical fruit of knowledge forbidden?
It’s obvious that this story from the Old Testament was not about the ripeness
of divine fruits, but about the spiritual maturity of the man himself. Only a spiritually
mature mankind can learn the Truth – that is what the Bible conveys in a metaphorical manner.
The Knowledge of the Truth is a sign of spiritual maturity and that’s why only
the Knowledge of the Truth entitles one to the Symbol of the Truth, which is an
Ancient Contact Symbol that will prove to you that we are not alone in the Universe.
The path to the Truth can be found at: truenewworld.com


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 Post subject: Re: Biblical Fruit
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:44 am 
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For me, the Genesis story doesn't mean that at all.

The World tree (axis mundi) has been a key component of belief systems which were in existence long before the first books of the old testament were written (current scholastic thinking is around 6 or 7 BCE).

In these earlier, more shamanic beliefs, the world tree was the axis upon which all else turned and by which the shaman would access the otherworlds. The fruit of that tree was knowledge (hence the tree of knowledge).

Early monotheistic belief started to dictate that only the one God had this knowledge and to seek it by means of the old methods (trance, entheogens etc) was impossible because nobody can know God so you must be getting your information from lesser beings.

Well, that's how it comes across to me in my limited understanding.


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 Post subject: Re: Biblical Fruit
 Post Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:18 am 
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Biblical story about fruit of knowledge was also story about discovery of sin.

By eating Adam and Eva found what they found, which seems to be same whole mankind is aware of. And wise men says that you should become like children.

So, if discovery of sin is therefore discovery of knowledge and truth, here would be nothing to find, we all are already submerged with it.

SO, what was life before discovery of knowledge or sin? I guess damn boring and without purpose. Can it be so, that living one's life through sin makes one happy, truthful and consciouss?
(by incorporating childkind attitude towards life?)


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 Post subject: Re: Biblical Fruit
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:35 pm 
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It is the tree of knowledge *of right and wrong*, or moral values, not just knowledge. All of Christianity centers around moral responsibility. Now that Adam and Even ate the fruit of knowledge *of right and wrong*, they knew eating it was a sinfully disobedient from God's will, and since they know better now, they can be punished (forever) for it.

The Bible leaves out one key point. They didn't know better when they did it, did they?

Evil, wrong, and sin, do not exist anyway. Nor does moral rightness or holiness.

Nothing in the Bible actually happened, anyway. There is evidence disproving the flood, disproving the exodus from Egypt, and the geological record disproves the Genesis story wholly. Abiogenisis continues to show there was no prime mover.


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 Post subject: Re: Biblical Fruit
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:47 pm 
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resonantD wrote:
The Bible leaves out one key point. They didn't know better when they did it, did they?


From the Christian point of view, they did because Jehova had told them not to.

resonantD wrote:
Evil, wrong, and sin, do not exist anyway. Nor does moral rightness or holiness.


Up until that point, there was no sin until the fruit was eaten but Evil and wrong were present in the form of the Snake and the temptation.

resonantD wrote:
Nothing in the Bible actually happened, anyway. There is evidence disproving the flood, disproving the exodus from Egypt, and the geological record disproves the Genesis story wholly. Abiogenisis continues to show there was no prime mover.


The Bible needs to be understood from the language (Hebrew is a symbolic and highly metaphoric language) and times it was written in. The flood story is well documented in the form of the Gilgamesh flood story and in the archeological record from the Black Sea which was once an inland, fresh water lake until the sea broke through the very narrow entrance. As for the exodus, it may be a metaphoric story and Abiogenisis would not be a concept which early peoples would have any need to know or pass on. It doesn't make sense as a metaphoric story.

The bigger problem seems to be that fundamentalist Christians have taken the old testament literally which it was never meant to be.


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 Post subject: Re: Biblical Fruit
 Post Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:50 am 
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Forest Child wrote:
The bigger problem seems to be that fundamentalist Christians have taken the old testament literally which it was never meant to be.


Indeed natural disasters would have seemed to be the work of a God to people with no scientific understanding.

These myths were indeed understood to be objectively true by their authors.

Here's something you can't argue: everything according to my Shamanic capabilities shows Jesus is fiction. Senses, spirits, all of it. Things can be untrue.


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