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 Post subject: Galantamine and Choline for Dreaming
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:07 pm 

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I've used this supplement with great effects and am in the process of gathering my notes and dreaming experiences. Has anyone else tried this for dreaming? I'm curious to hear experiences. For now, here's some general info:

Galantamine and Choline

You can't talk about Lucid Dreaming supplements without talking about this killer combination. No 'lucid pill' comes without these two; for they are one of the best combinations that will provide you with a better chance at having a lucid dream.

Galantamine is mainly used as a treatment for Alzheimer?s. A reduce in the production of the neurotransmitter Acetylcholine is the reason for Alzheimer's, and Galantamine inhibits the breakdown of acetylcholine. This results in more acetylcholine. I'll skip the rest of the science stuff and just say this: Acetylcholine is present in REM sleep; i'?s important for the generation and maintenance of REM sleep. Galantamine also acts as an agent for acetylcholine, essentially doubling the amount you have and facilitating REM sleep even faster.

So what does this mean? Galantamine will cause an increase in REM sleep, resulting in longer and more vivid dreams.

So then how do I use it?
All you need is around 4-8mg of Galantamine in combination with a Wake Back to Bed. You can take it before bed but it won't have as profound of an effect.

Are there any side effects? Yes, there are mild side effects of prolonged use. You shouldn't take it more than 3 times a week max. If you do, you'll find yourself dizzy, nauseous, and may even lose sleep.

Choline is an essential nutrient found within the Vitamin B complex. It?s found in?acetylcholine! You need choline to keep your brain strong. Basically, it maintains the structure of the signaling pathways between your cell membranes.

How do I use it? Not without Galantamine. Alone, Choline does nothing in terms of dream recall and vividness. All it does is the same thing it does everyday: help make acetylcholine. But when combined with Galantamine, it intensifies the actions of Galantamine, thus producing more REM juice (acetylcholine, in case you haven?t gotten it yet). If you are supplimenting Choline, 400-800mg will suffice for a lucid dream. More won?t help.

Choline has no known adverse side effects. Actually soemthing your body needs!

What if I want to take it naturally? Choline is found in such sources as egg yolks, soy, cooked beef, chicken, veal, bananas and turkey liver. It's going to be pretty hard eating enough choline to supplement your galantamine, so I would suggest you go the vitamin route.


Combining the two

Putting these two together will be like loading yourself into a cannon and launching into a wall? If the cannon means sleeping and the wall means lucid dreaming. To help, take some B complex vitamins throughout the day (via a Multivitamin, you should be doing that anyway!)

If you're not taking a multivitamin, eat a banana or two a couple hours before bed. Then wake up after a couple hours of sleep (WBTB) and take your Galantamine and Choline. Or if you've chosen the natural Choline route, just the Galantamine. Remember, take 4-8mg of Galantamine and 400-800mg of Choline. From there, you can choose to WILD or DILD. You're bound to have greatly increased dream recall and vividness. From there, its all about practicing your lucidity techniques!

Where do I find these?

You can find these at many online pharmacies. GNC -- local pharmacies but most major retail pharmacies don't carry these suppliments.

** I buy from a website called

 Post subject: Re: Galantamine and Choline for Dreaming
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:11 pm 

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Here is a great and indepth article about Galantamine and Choline for Lucid Dreaming, as written by Ryan Hurd.

Very well researched and presented information!

Galantamine: Reviewing The Lucid Dreaming Pill

Posted by Ryan Hurd on July 9, 2009

So you're considering the red pill...

Galantamine has emerged as THE lucid dreaming pill.

This natural supplement has been used for centuries in China as a memory enhancer, and was even noted by the ancient Greeks for its powerful mind-inducing effects. Now we know that galantamine directly promotes dreaming sleep as well as lucid dreaming, which is the art of becoming self-aware in your dreams.

There?s a lot of hype about galantamine, so I want to cover the basics about how it works on the brain, the studies that have proven its effectiveness, and my personal recommendations for experimentation with this safe and natural supplement.

However, I also want to be brutally honest about some of the mild psychological and physical side effects of galantamine, as well as how to pair the supplement with mental and physical practices for best results.
Galantamine & Memory

red spider lily (Lycoris radiata)

Galantamine is found in the natural world in many plant sources, including the common daffodil (Narcissus pseudonarcissus).

Today, it is used commercially as an extract derived from red spider lily (Lycoris radiata), a strikingly beautiful plant native to Asia, or from the Snowdrop plant (Galanthus nivalis). The resulting compound is galanthamine hydrobromide.

Galantamine and its derivatives was approved by the FDA in 2001, and is largely used as a memory-improvement supplement for sufferers of Alzheimers disease and mild dementia. Only recently has the substance been used as an oneirogen, or a dream enhancing supplement.

Historically, the first evidence for using the memory-increasing properties of galantamine come from Homer?s Iliad, where, some scholars argue, Odyessus uses the snowdrop flower (Galanthus nivalis) to combat the effects of memory loss (Duvoisin, 1983).
How Galantamine Works On your Brain

Galantamine keeps acetylcholinesterase from breaking down acetylcholine, temporarily leading to increased memory function, dream recall and lucidity

Galantamine is known as an anticholinergic agent or a cholinesterase inhibitor. In the brain, the compound blocks the action of acetylcholinesterase, an enzyme that breaks down the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. The drug is mostly metabolized in the liver. The effects are not cumulative, and only temporarily increases acetylcholine levels in the brain.
Research into Galantamine?s Effect on Dreams

As early as 1975, dream researchers found out that acetylcholine and its inhibitors are somehow involved with dream sleep (Amatruda et al 1975). In fact, noted dream scientist J. Allen Hobson stated rather boldly that ?Cholinergic brainstem mechanisms cause REM sleep and dreaming.? (1988, p. 202). Around the same time, high acetylcholine levels in the brain was associated with the prevention of memory loss, which is why it appears to be effective in treating Alzheimers.

So, we know that the presence of galantamine has been shown to promote dreaming sleep. Specifically, the compound acts immediately to increase the duration of REM sleep, and the dream state is made more structurally sound (Riemann et al, 1994). Also, not only does galathamine increase the period of sleep that gives us dreams, but it also seems to help with recalling those dreams upon awakening.

In 2004, Stephen LaBerge applied for a patent for the use of cholinesterase inhibitors like galantamine to promote lucid dreaming. While dream researchers had discussed the importance of the cholinergic systems with dream creation and dream recall, no one had yet mentioned that it may increase the likelihood of self-awareness in dreams as well. His pilot studies show that galantamine treatments are more effective than placebos for lucid dreaming induction.

LaBerge (2004) also notes that there ?was also associated with a significantly elevated frequency of sleep paralysis and a 40% increase in estimated time awake during the night,? which is an important warning that I will come back to later.

In 2007, Thomas Yushak verified LaBerge?s results that galantamine increases lucid dreaming, in particular lucid dreams that emerge direct from awakening and going back to sleep without losing awareness (also know as Wake-back-to-bed dreams).
Physical Side Effects of Galantamine

Taking a supplement like galantamine directly affects your brain chemistry, and so it should not be taken lightly. Some people will have adverse reactions.

The most frequent side effects are gastro-intestinal, including: nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, anorexia (loss of appetite), and weight loss. In tests with Alzheimer?s patients, these side effects are temporary and more common in the beginning of treatment.

Note that Alzheimer?s patients use galantamine during the day and in a recurring period over several months and even years; whereas for dream enhancement, it?s generally recommended to take only a few days in a row for a ?dream boost.?
Psychological Side Effects ? Sleep Paralysis!

As LaBerge (2004) has noted, galantamine has been shown to also increase micro-awakenings during the night. For some light sleepers, it?s possible that galantamine can interfere with a restful night and you will wake up not feeling refreshed.

LaBerge also noted the increase in sleep paralysis with galantamine use. This has been true for me personally, which I describe below in section titled ?my personal experiences.?

The Nightmare by Henry Fuseli, 1781

Sleep paralysis is a parasoma that can be very nightmarish if you have never experienced it before. Essentially, you remain aware during the transition into sleep onset and/or REM sleep while the body undergoes muscle paralysis.

To be aware during this state means experiencing strange sensations that feel like being held down or being crushed by a weight on the chest.

Fear makes the sensations worse, and can spin into intensely real waking-dreams that may involve the presence of ?the Stranger? which is pretty much the scariest thing you can personally imagine. So, playing with galantamine necessitates a working knowledge of how to stay calm during sleep paralysis and transform the experience into an out-of-body experience (OBE) or a truly profound lucid dream.


Drugs with anticholinergic properties and which cross the blood/brain barrier, such as atropine, benztropine (Cogentin), and trihexyphenidyl (Artane), counteract the effects of galantamine.

Also, the following medical issues have been documented to be irritated or worsened by the use of galantamine: asthma, lung diseases, epilepsy or history of seizures, heart problems, including slow heartbeat or heart murmur, kidney and/or liver problems, stomach ulcer, and urinary tract problems.

Safe Dosage for Dream Enhancement

Taken orally, the galantamine supplement is active and at full strength within an hour of ingestion. The half-life is about 7 hours. Recommended dosage for dream enhancement is on the low side: 4 ? 8 mg. (Alzheimer?s patients, on the other hand, often take 12mg or more a day). Start low and if you do not notice any effects you can safely double the dosage after a couple days.

It?s best to take the supplement in the middle of the night to take advantage of the longer REM (dreaming sleep) cycles that occur in the second half of the night. Taking the pill before you go to bed can be counter-productive, and may result in unpleasant experiences.
Recommendation: Combine with Mental Practices

I personally believe galantamine should be handled with care and with a healthy respect, just as for all oneirogens, and all mind-altering substances in general.

As they say, set and setting.

Know why you want to be more lucid, and mentally prepare yourself for the journey. Don?t just pop the pill and flop down to bed after watching a horror movie or after a night of drinking. Instead, prepare for sleep mindfully, perhaps by listening to relaxing music before bed, or by journaling about what you want to do when you realize you are dreaming.

The effects of galantamine can be doubled if you combine the supplement with some kind of regular meditation or mindfulness practice.

Because solidifying intent is really the hard part of learning how to lucid dream, taking a pill alone will not do the trick, although the actual behavior of swallowing a medicine is a strong ritual act that is in itself a behavioral artifact of intention. Mindfulness during the day, and especially right before bed, is a great way to become more lucid during the night.

For example, because the best practice is to take galantamine in the middle of the night (in order to not effect early night deep sleep as well as be closer to the longer REM cycles of the morning), a simple exercise is to set the alarm after four and half hours (three sleep cycles of 90 minutes), wake up and take the pill with some water, and then do 10-15 minutes of concentrative meditation such as watching your breath while sitting upright.

Another effective variation for me has been to read for 10-15 minutes, especially to read about lucid dreaming. These activities increase activity in the frontal lobe, and will result in more opportunities of staying lucid as you fall back asleep.
My Personal Experiences

I came across galantamine for the first time in 2005. A lucid dreaming researcher and friend of mine had been conducting bioassays and reported a huge increase in his lucid dreams per week as well as higher lucidity levels across the board (more prelucid dreams as well as better concentration and focus in his waking life.) I took him up on the offer to try it myself, but first he gave me stern warnings about following his instructions exactly.

Taking galantamine early in the night can result in some terrifying and highly uncomfortable experiences, like feeling drawn and quartered

The next night, I took a galantamine extract pill before bed. This is exactly what I had been warned NOT to do, but I was too lazy to wake up in the middle of the night and take the pill as instructed.

What resulted was one of the weirdest and most uncomfortable sleep experiences in my life. I woke up a couple hours after going to bed wrestling with titanic forces. It felt like my brain was being drawn and quartered; I was disoriented, dizzy and felt a little drunk. I kept falling back asleep into these bizarre dreams that I can only describe as my head being scraped against the bottom of a submerged iceberg.

When the night was over, I realized that I had probably been consciously awake during sleep onset, in which I experienced an unpleasant series of sleep paralysis. Or it could have been deep sleep. I told my friend what happened and he shook his head and said, ?I told you so?.?

A year later, I got up the nerve to try galantamine again and this time I took the dosage in the middle of the night. Of those four nights I took the supplement, I had 3 lucid dreams, much more than my usual once every 10 days or so. These dreams were filled with bizarre imagery, including some strange kinesthetics that felt like my body was being stretched, as well as some violent imagery.

Recently, I have been experimenting with galantamine, vitamin B5 and choline together, and have had several sleep paralysis-induced lucid dreams that have been pretty pleasant. Choline is a common amino acid found in many foods (like bananas and potatoes) that is used as raw material in the brain to produce acetylcholine.

Now that I know what to expect, I have been able to transform these strange wake-to-lucid dream experiences and sleep paralysis into out-of-body experiences and some powerful lucid dreams that lasted over 15 minutes (in elapsed dream time). I personally use the supplement as part of larger dream incubation sessions which last several days and include journaling, abstinence from alcohol and meat, as well as increased mediation and time spent in nature.
The First Taste of Lucidity

My recommended source of galantamine also contains choline and vitamin B5

I?m reminded of the Buddhist concept of ?the first taste,? which is described as the first fleeting ? and perhaps undeserved ? brush with an expanded awareness. It can come upon us suddenly and spontaneously, and then be no where to be seen for many years afterwards. However, this taste of the ?goal? is what gives practitioners the courage and perseverance needed to pursue a path towards greater lucidity and mindfulness.

Similarly, I believe galantamine can help those new to lucid dreaming a ?first taste? of self-awareness in dreams. It truly is exhilarating and life altering to experience first hand the beauty and fragility of self-awareness in the dream world.

My recommended source of Galantamine is GalantaMind by Life Enhancement. This safe mix combines 4mg of galantamine with 1g of choline and 100 mg of vitamin b5 (Pantothenic acid).

Safe journeys!

This article is not intended as medical advice, but only for educational purposes. Sales of galantamine help support


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Duvoisin, RC., Plaitakis A. (1983). Homer?s moly identified as Galanthus nivalis L.: physiologic antidote to stramonium poisoning. Clinical Neuropharmacology, March; 6(1), p. 1-5.

Hobson, J.A. (1988), The Dreaming Brain. New York: Basic Books.

LaBerge, S. (2003). Substances that enhance recall and lucidity during dreaming, United States Patent Application 604138.

Riemann, D., Gann, H. Dressing, H., Muller W., Aldenhoff, J. (1994). Influence of the cholinesterase inhibitor galanthamine hydrobromide on normal sleep. Psychiatry Research, 51 (3), p. 253-267.

Toro, G. and Thomas, B. (2007). Drugs of the Dreaming. Rochester, VT: Park Street Press.

Yuschak, T. (2007) Pharmacological induction of lucid dreams. Published online 2007 but not currently available.

Yuschak, T. (2006) Advanced lucid dreaming: the power of supplements. Lulu Enterprises.

 Post subject: Re: Galantamine and Choline for Dreaming
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:13 pm 

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That's a lot of info and I apologize for the huge posts, I'm just very excited about this new-ish supplement.

One thing I neglected to mention here, that from my own experience, as well as enhancing lucidity and all things associated with that, I had several cool experiences and effects in dreaming and awake dreaming while under the influence of this supplement. One of these was the ability to hear through walls. Sounds crazy I know, but I was in the bathroom of my house and could clearly hear a conversation that was happening in my neighbour's home!

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